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From: Bobby Marsh
Date: 6/26/2009 8:08:41 AM
You know how I feel about this……long …. long time…
The IGFA is a hyprocritical organization…..A bunch of profilers….
Long liners Kill 100 time more marlins than all the sports fishing boats in the Caribbean….
Any idiot knows that 99% of marlins over 300 lbs are female… ask Guy Harvey????
You kill the breeder and release the males… dat mek sense??
Ron DuQuesnay wrote:
Bobby thanks for your rough but kind support – I do not share your views on IGFA.
Let me put it in a succinct way that even you may understand :- Being a horse-man like you are, how do you treat the horse that lost the competition – a race or gymkhana outing (e.g. the marlin at the side of the boat after a good and feisty fight). May I suggest that you hit him over the head with a lead-loaded “billy pacifier’, skin him, jerk or smoke him an then serve him at your celebration dinner later. Horse meat is not bad – I had it in France as a needed genetic requirement of my heritage – a sort of trial of passage for us ‘frenchmen”, so to speak. It was not bad jerked. Try it. Snails are also good fare!!!
Now do you understand the concept of killing of marlin after he lost the battle in a very competitive angling competition tournament ??? You won yes but do give a generous “Thumbs Up” to a brave and fiesty gladiator of the deep. Such competitions are not to be regarded as seeking food for the nation. Be better than that – become a sportsman for that one occasion. Yes, I have tried eating most anything :) in answer to your question, including snakes and lizards etc. I relish all.
Ron
On Thu, 6/25/09, Ron DuQuesnay wrote:
To ALL:
I started this BLOG PAIMT2009 in order to inform ALL members of SHMAA and others of the general comments flowing in from our overseas and local members stemming from the “Calamity 18/6″ AFM fiasco and as a general info source for all matters leading up to and including The Port Antonio International Marlin Tournament 2009.
However the true bone of contention at The AGM “Calamity 18/6″ and the palpable vindictiveness shown towards me over the past year must now be aired. As for the MoBay fiasco of 2008 let me just say that when one is under threat of litigation it is sub-justice to present all information publicly except thru the Montego Bay Yacht Club legal team, which was fully and timely done. I present here some neutral background information:-
From: Ron DuQuesnay Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:48 AM
To: Lynda Wilson Bonnier-IGFA Cc: Lesley Arico Events.IGFA
Subject: Re: 46th Montego bay I M Tournament September 24th to 28th 2008
Lynda,
In the recently completed 46th Montego Bay I M Tournament September 24-28th 2008 an incident and MoBay Rules Committee decision into which I was invited for an outsider opinion, a decision occurred which may well impact on you and the designated winner Paul McFarlane of boat “Intrepid”.
Montego Bay has always been proud of the fact that they initiated the Tag and Release of Blue Marlin back in 1990 in Jamaica under the influence of John McConnell, the then IGFA representative. They (MoBay) have always advocated the release of ALL blue marlin but has kept the minimum of 100 lbs so as to avoid the penalty. IT IS A SLIDING SCALE TOURNAMENT, THE HEAVIEST MARLIN LANDED BECOMING THE MIMIMUM WEIGHT FOR LANDING FROM THEN ON.
The winner for First Marlin of the Tournament did a most remarkable thing. Using/twisting the rule for a Release Tournament of determining a Tie based on Time of release or landing of a qualified marlin they landed a fish of 67 inches (100 lbs. is approximately 72 inches LJFT). To cut a long story short 6 marlin were landed by six boats, none were released, all boats being Tied for Most Marlin (one each). There were two marlin of 257 and 397 Lbs. approximately.
The 101 lb marlin was awarded First Marlin of the tournament and Most Marlin based on time. No problem here.
The dilemma was the Bonnier-IGFA winner. My opinion given to the Rules Committee on their request was that this tournament had been rendered a “Kill Tournament” by the decision of ALL of the involved teams NOT to release and therefore the overall winner should be determined by the weight of all the 6 dead fish placed on the dock. I concurred as an outsider opinion. You would have been informed of this by now I suppose.
I will keep you updated. Sorry about this but that’s the Tropics for you.
Ron DuQuesnay
IGFA Representative,
Kingston, Jamaica
From: Lynda Wilson
To: Ron DuQuesnay
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: 46th Montego bay I M Tournament September 24th to 28th 2008
Hi Ron:
Thanks for providing me the information. No, I did not get the results or hear about the conflict at Montego Bay .
The standard catch size all over the Caribbean and Atlantic waters is 99”— how did Montego Bay come up with 100 lbs? Under the 99” mark the MoBay tournament would be considered a kill tournament and not acceptable as a qualifying event.
Regards, Lynda
From: Ron DuQuesnay [mailto:rondq@mail.infochan.com] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:14 PM
To: Lynda Wilson
Importance: High
Lynda,
Montego Bay Yacht Club and the Port Antonio events were operating under the 100 lb. minimum as set out initially by Guy Harvey and this held throughout the 1990’s. Port Antonio voluntarily moved to the Atlantic minimum of 99 inches LIFT in 2001 (The Eastern Seaboard Federal USA minimum) when our existing landed/release ratio was 1:1 (12 landed to 13 released) and it became worrisome to our members at that time. After this we had only 8 landed for 163 released over the next 6 years (2001-2006).
An idea for Port Antonio is to give an incentive score to all released marlin of 2 instead of 1 as against all landed marlin and let the Team decide as to whether to land a marlin for their First Ever Angler or to go for an increased score of 2 instead of 1 per marlin landed.
Montego Bay on the other hand had stuck to the 100 lb. minimum which has brought on the present dilemma in MoBay with 6 marlin caught and all 6 dead on the dock in 2008. The organisers were not happy as 4 out of the six marlin-landings had no advantage to be landed and therefore should have been released, based on their “sliding scale minimum” that they advocate.
That is when I was called in, agreed with the MOBay Rules Committee decision and gave my opinion that the 2008 MBYC Tournament could only be classified as an ALL Kill-Tournament and that only the weight on the dock could decide on a winner and to recommend a winner to Bonnier-IGFA as being suitable for their invitation to Cabo. I argued that the winning fish of 387 lbs. and measuring 110 inches (as far as my memory can allow) would be far more acceptable to you than the contentious 101 Lb. marlin as based on Time of Capture, a rule in a Release Tournament. Looking forward to your ideas here. Interesting.
Ron
AND FINALLY ON THIS MATTER:
From: Lynda Wilson
To: Ron DuQuesnay
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: 46th Montego bay I M Tournament September 24th to 28th 2008
Hi Ron: When this tournament submits an application to be a qualifying event in 2009, I will request their rules. If the minimum is 100 lbs. they will not be eligible as a qualifying event as it will be considered a kill tournament. Lynda Lynda L. Wilson, Assistant Tournament Director ,Bonnier Marine Group
Judge for yourself. A GOOD SPORTSMAN ACCEPTS THE RULING OF ANY RULES COMMITTEE AT THE TIME IT IS HANDED DOWN. IT IS FINAL AND BINDING ON ALL PARTICIPANTS AND GUESTS etc etc. LET US NOW LOOK AT THE GENERAL REACTION OF THE SILENT BUT NOW VOCAL AND SCREAMING MEMBERSHIP BODY 2009 TO THE EVENTS OCCURRING AT THE “CALAMITY 18/6″ AGM:-
From: Greg Fox – gfox@cwjamaica.com
To: Ron DuQuesnay Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:26 AM
Well Done, Dr. Ron! Back to sport fishing……actually it would seem SHMAA
never left it.
Greg Fox
From Sasha Hossman MoBay (Gettin Jiggy) Team Jamaica to Grenada 1/1/09
For some reason we seem to always find ways to embarrass ourselves and
instead of going ahead, we take steps back!
During our visit on the small island of Grenada we were educated about what
sport fishing is really all about. Nearly 130 billfish were tagged and
released and only one billfish was landed and that fish was over 400
lbs. And even though the fish was well over the limit, the boat that landed
it, regretted to have landed the fish, lost points (released = 600 points – landed = weight of the fish – an Incentive Release Scoring System in action) and stated that the fish was
dead at the end of the fight and that was the only reason why they had
to eventually land the fish.
It absolutely disgusts me to hear about a kill tournament and a change
of tournament rules to land smaller fish. This sport is not about
killing fish, it is about good sportsmanship, conservation and a long
lasting sport.
Sascha Hossmann, MoBay
From Basil Hamaty, Cayman Islands.
I have no vote because I’m not a member and I live in Cayman. I had 5 confirmed boats to attend the Port Antonio tournament from Cayman Is. but with this idea about Kill, we will boycott the tournament. It will be bad for Jamaica because the fishing community is a big one and as a Jamaican, I’m deeply upset about the whole thing. I personally will use my sources and friends in the media to stop such a thing. Who ever is spear heading this idea should be banned from your club. Thank you for your speedy response and I hope you win the battle and stick to the original Release rules.
Sincerely
Basil Hamaty
Grand Cayman Island
Greg Fox #2 Jamaica
Quite clearly some of the members and their new associates have no
idea of the state of the fishery in that they would want to vote for
a kill tournament. The commercial value of a marlin that can be
recaught is extremely high whereas the commercial value of 100 lbs
of dead fish is just that, 100 lbs of dead fish that will never be
on a line again for anyone, nor will it ever breed again. Catch
enough of these and there will eventually be NO MARLIN. Is that
rocket science guys?
I fully support Dr DuQuesnay in his quest for an EGM vote regarding
a kill tournament and I will be there to vote
against any form of kill tournament in our waters.
I say this to those who wish a kill tournament, just go buy a canoe
and commercial license and join the crowd of overfishers and non
conservationist survival fishermen, educate yourselves on the internet regarding the world crisis in
billfish populations due to overkilling. As sport fishermen you
should be interested in being a part of the conservation of an
overfished target species. Your kind killed the buffalo and the whales. And
will kill anything else on the planet for short term pleasure or
gain. Short sighted, selfish, and uninformed, targeting worthless
goals by nefarious means. I am so sorry I had to leave the AGM
early or I would have been able to sound off on this at the meeting
and might have made some difference. I did not know as no notice was given .
and that it was so important or I would havebeen there. Greg Fox
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:18:35 -0500
Robert Hamaty” Grand Cayman wrote:
Give it to the commercial fishermen Doc it will come back to
anglers in a very short time. They will not have the support of
anglers from Cayman You all did a fantastic job over the years
congrats. Say it as it is Doc.” IF THE LION DOES NOT WRITE HIS OWN
regrds Robbie
Robert Hamaty
President
Tortuga Rum Co
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:27:14 -0500
From: Robert Hamaty To: Captain Andrew D Campbell @ Air Jamaica
Andrew D here is a lot of INFO . I would suggest we gather signatures against this kill tournament both here in Cayman and Jamaica and publish it. The Jamaican tourist board needs to be involved as well. When Seaga won the Jamaica election in 1980 it was JTB’s Jackie Hamaty and I that got it started back after 7 years of being cancelled I got the first 6 boats from Cayman to fish that tournament it was then KILL KILL. We have come a long way since that . This kill tournament in Jamaica will send a very bad message globally. Regards Uncle Robbie
Horace DuQuesnay Grand Cayman Is.
Hi all: The reaction here in Cayman has been one of total dismay and shock that a “KILL” resolution is being passed by the SHMAA club of Jamaica. Rest assured that no boats will come from Cayman and no one from here will support the tournament if this resolution is no corrected. If we want to be in Port Antonio during this period we can always run our own release tournament with or without trophies and it would still be a winner.
Horace DuQuesnay
From: Horace DuQuesnay [mailto: snapshot@candw.ky ] Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:02 PM
To: Steven & Sonia Sykes – Chair SHMAA
Steven:
Greetings from Cayman, sorry that we have to be introduced under these circumstances, however I commend you as you have now stepped into a deep can of worms that is so deep that I don’t see any ladders tall enough for you to be able to climb out of it. Personally I don’t see how a Kill tournament and a Release Tournament could be run sharing the same venue and dates. Can you imagine the controversy and the way it would look to have IGFA representatives there while fish weighing less than 300 lbs are been weighed in? I personally will not support a kill tournament anywhere and I refuse to fish in them. I was instrumental in getting Cuba recently to become a full release tournament for the first time in the 69 years of the Hemmingway tournament.
I would really regret if you do have a kill tournament in any form as it will not be supported by any anglers or boats from the Cayman Islands as everyone here feels very strong when it comes to killing marlin.
Horace DuQuesnay
Past President Cayman Islands Angling Club
Bob Cleaves, 2001-2008 Computer C’ttee SHMAA Vermont USA
Hey Doc – my 2 cents. Absolutely unbelievable. I had no idea this was still going on. Sounds like a Kindergarten food fight. I am truly at a loss for words. First I don’t support full kill tournaments. I know there are many that do. I respect their opinion and would merely ask that they in turn respect mine.
Since I do not live in Jamaica, I can understand those who feel they should have a primary say in SHMAA. On the other hand, as someone who has regularly paid dues, entry fees etc. and has worked this tournament as a full volunteer for the last ten years while the majority of resident members have simply enjoyed the benefits, I think I should have as much say as anyone with regard to P.A. It seems to me that the club needs to ask 1 simple question. Do we want an international tournament? If so, is one non-kill tournament too much to ask. I think changing the format will destroy it’s “international” Status and drive away foreign entries. (unless of course that is the intent)
I think a dual tournament is ridiculous. The logistics would be crazy – it’s tough enough to keep track of one and I run the computers . Hell if you want a kill that bad – do it your own kill tournament – Do not ride on the back of SHMAA. Do it the week after PAIMTournament if necessary. So, for what it’s worth, I don’t support changing P.A. (do what you will with the other tournaments) .
What is most disturbing is the lack of level headed democracy. With the amount of brain power we have in this club, it is a real shame we can’t get an honest majority between men and gentlemen and accept that. If you want to play politics run for PM. I do hope there is a reasonable and peaceful solution. As of now I’m am planning to come down and help (was really looking forward to it – not so sure now) My vacation time is time is very limited and too precious to waste on a week of bickering and ill-will.
Bob Cleaves
Lynda Wilson, Bonnier-IGFA wrote:
Hi Ron: Sorry to hear about the situation in Port Antonio. The Port Antonio tournament for 2009 has already been considered as a qualifying event under the rules you previously sent. If the conservation rules have changed we will require a copy to determine if the tournament would meet the criteria (attached). Doc, please keep me updated on the outcome of this tournament. Thanks, Lynda
Lynda L. Wilson
Assistant Tournament Director
Bonnier Marine Group
Lesley Arico, IGFA Events Manager
Hi Ron,
I just spoke with Dan Jacobs from Bonnier Corporation and he said that you’ve already been conversing with Lynda and that they are basically waiting on Port Antonio’s new rules before they can determine whether or not it can remain a qualifying event.
Dan reiterated that a “conservation ethic” is still very important when considering qualifying tournament applications. After speaking with Dan, his estimation of “reasonable” minimum size requirements for billfish that are landed is the ABM – 99” and 300 lb. With regard to your last question on IGFA’s “ethics” pertaining to the release of billfish, we encourage ALL tournaments to release ALL marlin unless it is a world RECORD.
Thanks for all your support, Ron.
Lesley
From: Andrea Cowan #2
To: ‘Ron DuQuesnay’ Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:29 AM
You know how we feel about this, we need to grow up and face the fact that if we are not responsible stewards of our environment we will leave nothing for those to come. Not to worry, I think it would also be prudent to inform all persons involved that the bigger issue is the real direction that we should take as a mature organization, and not self interest.
I know you are bullish and often deliberately mischievous, but if we are honest with ourselves you are still the best man for the job. You are knowledgeable and you take on the world, tasks and all, quite unlike to loudest most vociferous among us.
Andrea Cown
Answer from Ron DuQuesnay
Tournament Director 2009
My final comment FOR NOW is that I am only really interested in the Agenda #2 of the EGM dealing with proposed changes in the format of the PAIMT2009 and onwards. Drastic changes were attempted to be railroaded in and through without proper noticfication of the AOB at the “Calamity 18/6 2009 AGM” as is required by Articles of Association. It needs to be re-hashed and a strong decision taken by an informed and paid up membership.
That is what will be useful to be fully discussed by an informed representative membership body and decide on this matter FINALLY. My present stand as Tournament Director 2009 is that none of this discussion, unless it be minor changes only , can be implemented for 2009. It has just been properly placed on the Agenda for 2010 to be further hotly debated at the upcoming international tournament and discussed under Matters Arising 2010 by a more enlightened and much more involved membership body. I do apologise to those who have taken my crass humor as an insult over the years.
Ron DuQuesnay
Tournament Director 2009
Sir Henry Morgan Anglers of Jamaica
By: Ronnie DQ on June 26, 2009
at 3:19 pm
Congrats Ronny,
Hope to be paid-up members at that time, so you can count on our 2 votes.
Holger
By: rondq on June 27, 2009
at 1:24 am
Doc,
Well said – there is nothing here that can be interpreted even as poor humor.
Thin skinned individuals always heve thin brains !!!
Bora Bora – my favourite movie about the Pearl Harbour attack – the famous jap Admiral said “We have just poked the Tiger in the Eye” and you know the rest of that story. Do not back down doc we are all behind you in Jamaica. Go for it – give no quarter nor expect any. D S
By: rondq on June 27, 2009
at 12:30 am
Hi Ron:
The sport is in “Fighting the fish on even grounds” not In the “KILL” Please, Please, Please, release them so we can keep on fighting, and also for our future Generations.
Regards.
Howie Nugent.
By: rondq on June 27, 2009
at 1:23 am
Bobby Marsh,
You are now posted internationally:-
Go to Blog “To Kill or Not to Kill” on Word Press PAIMT2009
http://paimt2009.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/hello-world/
and look for the reactions of the world and his wife !!!
Ron Dq
Http://paimt2009.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/hello-world/#comments
By: rondq on June 27, 2009
at 11:06 am
There are several tournaments in Jamaica held throughout the year at which one can kill and land all fish, regardless of size or weight. The Port Antonio International Marlin Tournament is the ONLY internationally recognized tournament in Jamaica right now, due to its minimum landed size requirement of 99″/300lbs.
It is Jamaica’s “Fishing Olympics”. It gives us further world recognition in another sports area other than the usual track and field, cricket, to name a few. Let us not discount the fact that this event attracts overseas entrants, and we DO need all the tourism we can get for our beautiful island which has such a volatile reputation.
Why, why, WHY would a few people be so adamant to change the rules of this tournament and go “All Kill”? Why would anyone want to go backwards in time?
I am hoping that somehow this handful of SHMAA members will wake up and see the bigger picture for Jamaica, and not just think of their egos.
Let’s just enjoy the sport and the camaraderie of all the sportfishing folk from near and far for that one week of the year, and leave the rules as they are!
Karen Sangster
By: Karen LeM Sangster on June 27, 2009
at 12:47 pm
John john thanks for taking the time to explain quite that few big blues do exist on the north coast of Jamaica over 300lb and that those below 300 lbs should be released: that’s still is an exciting hunt. That’ basic minimum was were Cayman started; then I believe it was increased to 400 lbs and now you boat only if you believe its above the existing (I believe its) 582 lb Cayman record and is now worth $100,000. As the saying goes if you do not want enemies then make them your friends. you are on the right part to fix the problem My first tournament in Port Antonio was 1972 and many more very enjoyable ones there after . Hope all will be sorted out so we can all continue to enjoy the best tournament in the Caribbean. Regards Robbie
Mr Robert Hamaty
President
Tortuga Rum Co
Tortuga Rum ave
By: rondq on June 27, 2009
at 7:49 pm
All need to understand that hearsay, a.k.a. gossip, will never get you anywhere.
Why ddn’t the “reberl group” step up to the wicket. Why did they all run from being nominated and therefore carry out the wish of the floor iof this “democratic” election?
The fact that you all get the emails demonstrates my openness – I DO NOT have secret underground pre-AGM, or pre-EGM, meetings for that matter as is the wont of the “coup” group. The SHMAA BLOG below is open to all, Pros and Cons – so use it. Just keep it clean, concise, safe and relevant to PAIMT2009. This is not a MoBay BLOG.
My reasons for the MoBay fiasco have been well outlined about the MoBay Tournament 2008. For your your further information, the 2008 MBYC-tournament WAS NOT as in 2007. 2007 HAD releases and the TIE determination of a quantity of a RELEASE/LANDED Tournament (Modified Release concept) and was so determined by the MoBay Rules Committee 2007 and their decision was accepted as FINAL by all. It was an enjoyable comeback for MoBay Tournament after many years.
In 2008 a wrong call was made by the Team Persistence, and in fact by several others, as ALL marlin were landed regardless of size. Team Persistence had landed a very small marlin, unnecessarily so, in the mind of all of those with a conscientious opinion. They would have gotten the same points and prizes they were eventually awarded if they had relleased it. This is the argument for the Release Incentive Scoring System I now advocste. They lost a tournament because of this very poor unsportsmanlike initial decision to boat a small marlin which would have been better served to have been released. I myself had fished on several boats as a guest during this tournament, one being “No Problem”. I was never in the “chair”.
Team Persistence would have gotten the same point and prizes as if they had released it, especially as another boat that was already fighting the 2nd Heaviest Marlin of 297 lbs., had already reported that it was a very LARGE marlin of 250-300 lbs. that they were fighting. Why unnecessarily kill such a small one? Give me a valid reason from this Team and I’ll advertise it.
The decision was taken by the 2008 MBYC Rules Committee, I was called in after and I concurred with this very correct decision. I did not interfere with the 2008 MoBay Rules Committee decision as I was not a part of their Rules committee. I was drawn out of the general audience in fact. Please stick to the facts as you know it. In summary for MoBay 2008:- A true sportsman accepts the ruling of the official 2008 MBYC Rules Committee. If Team Persistence had only released that small marlin they might well have won, I cannot belabour this point enough. They didn’t and ego has now taken over. It is hard for them to accept this fact but they must swallow it to be deemed true sportsmen, which I would like to believe they are.
The 2008 MoBay Rules Committee were the very ones, very disgusted by the actions of all the tournament anglers to kill ALL marlin and quite rightly so, and they made this decision. I would suggest that you leave me and SHMAA out of it but I remain convinced that MoBay made the right decision.
Please see the IGFA and Bonnier’s reply which leaves no doubt but that their ethics would have been invoked before this “prize” was awarded to a killed 101 lb marlin. This is in fact NOT a prize but an invitation between sportsmen that has to be recommended locally by both the organiser and by the local IGFA Representative. It is finally accepted by Bonnier-IGFA, who then issue their invitation directly from that body to the recipient – This invitation does NOT go back through the tournament body to be awarded as a “Prize”. It is not a prize to be fought over – I could use this as an example of what is good sportsmanship and what is not – but I will desist.
I know of no rules that dictate as to who “wins” this sportmanship invitation. If you know of such a rule please show me. Good sportsmanship is decided by your peers. The concept has to be as much a part of your psyche as the color of your hair – you are either born with it or you will forever never have it. I cannot teach you this.
I now append the new SHMAA Blog site. You are up on it so you do know where to find it.
SHMAA BLOG:- To Kill or Not to Kill PAIMT2009. For comments (you are already up on it !!!!) Check it out to see if it works on your computer etc. as it is under development and I DO NEED A FEEDBACK.
This BLOG is inteneded as an adjunct to the Port Antonio International Marlin Tournament only. It is not an Ebay “to sell your wares”.
http://paimt2009.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/hello-world/
Http://paimt2009.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/hello-world/#comments
NOW TO THE MEAT OF THE AGM 18/6/2009:
Sir Henry’s BLOG PAIMT2009 is for the wider comment for PAIMT and work leading up to it, now and into the future. Do not abuse it. I need it so as not to clog up my working email-server. I have a lot of work to do as the Tournament Director 2009. Someone has got to do the constructive work. I am not a “demon-isher”.
I now simple ask:-
Why were over 6 individuals, well known, active working members, already placed on active sub-committees for 2009 by the Tournament Director 2009 and who were physically and mentally present, denied payment of their dues while we had the treasurer and receipt book right there?????
Did you all want to really obtain a true “representative” opinion from the entire and mostly “silent” membership body??? They are not so silent now.
The vote was only then carried by a “majority” vote of only 2. Note that already that 3 of these “rebel” votes have been ruled as being illegal having paid no dues 2009, insufficent dues because they conveniently forgot back dues and finally was not even on the approved membership list. Now all 6 voters denied represented the group for a release tournament and would have made a very great difference to the outcome and given you a better opinion of the membership body at large and certainly would have circumvented this crisis. Your type of “Democracy” is that of an unjust election, totally immoral in fact. What goes for the goose MUST go for the gander.
And you all wonder at my skepticism as to the type of democratic method of voting that “you-all” so advocate? It is a method that became quite obvious to me as the AGM progressed and that is why I declined to be nominated if you were to try and push through untabled AOB through without due required process. That does not support a charge of “autocracy or not listening to the membership body” it is just common sense – which is the most uncommon thing really !!!
No written notification was ever made to be appended to the AOB for reversing the minimum weight or size of the 46th PAIMT. Is this allowing for a fair and democratic vote? NO ONE KNEW OF YOUR INTENTIONS. No written notification was ever made of introducing a “Dual” Kill Tournament, BRING IN CHANGE FOR CHANGES’ SAKE, “We can make it happen” etc. etc. and at no time was any of this concept notified in writing to the AGM/Board of Directors for them to place on AOB and so advertise it to the general population of conscientious members. TWO SENIOR MEMBERS, WELL KNOWN TO BE ‘RELEASE” ORIENTATED, HAD ALREADY LEFT NOT KNOWING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE AGM WOULD TAKE. More votes for what I stand for. Do some simple arithimetic – does the vote reflect the views of the general membership body – NO !!! Do you really want to find out the views of your fellow members or do you just want to push thru your views illegally ???
It was then highly irregular to even attempt to get a vote on any of these recently tabled illegal-presented AOB, seize and use the element of “surprise” and then go on to implement such a drastic change in the direction of the club without a ‘TRUE” vote of the true representative knowledgeable membership body present or absent. Is this allowing again for a fair and democratic vote on such a drastic change?
If a topic is raised under AOB without notice it is only for placement for discussion at the next AGM 2010 discussion forum and is then dealt with maybe only under Matters Arising in 2010. No way can such changes be implemented for 2009, except be it of minor consequences, when plans, committed sponsors and event-meetings for the September event are already in such a highly advanced state of preparedness. Two large sponsors have already indicated a withdrawal of their entire sponsorship just based on these forthcoming “rumors” of change. Think on the potential damage that has already been initiated.
Why was no member that was so actively involved in this unjust “coup” willing to serve, OR TO BE NOMINATED as Chairman ??? One of this group would have been the best to serve with enthusiasm. Next time think carefully – a dog has just caught the bus by the front wheel and now has no idea or pre-planned way of dealing with it !!!
Steven Sykes was brought to his first AGM to get him interested and to encourage him to join and become an active committee member for 2009. He will definitely be a good addition if and when a vacancy materializes on the board. If not he will most definitely chair an active sub-committee. He will make a very good chair in the future. I look forward to his help.
All those individuals that votied strongly for a new Chairman and change have had absolutely no part or involvement to date in the planning of the 2009 event which is now in a well advanced state of preparation. Why?
Finally I must commend you on the interest that you are all now belatedly taking in IGFA and Tag and Release and in the Articles of Association etc.. All is therefore not lost. Keep it up and write an article for the magazine 2009 on what new knowledge has uncovered??? The magazine needs people. Every cloud has a silver lining.
Finally, what about the damage already done to the image of our sister organisation – The Montego Bay Yacht Club and Tournament by very poor sportsmanship practices over the past year and which remains ongoing?
This sister club of SHMAA has had a GREAT injustice heaped up on them – a major sponsor at this event, who will will remain nameless for now, withdrew ALL their sponsorship immediately from the Mobay event and that definitely needs to be sorted out. Are you/they, inclusive of sponsors, willing to help mend this injustice done to the 2008 MoBay Tournament? Is the MoBay YC going to hear an apology from all those concerned ?? Are the individuals involved man enough to apologise publicly, seek forgiveness and redress the damage to the character and to a sponsorship MoBay desperately rely on for success? The process of healing and final closure depends on this public apology from all involved. I hope that they are man enough to see this and to take highly visible action to this end.
If I can get an answer to these “brief stated” concerns of mine I will gladly post the answers, and anything else, on the Blog “To Kill or Not to Kill” – both Pros and Cons for marlin killing but do try to keep it simple, relevant, safe AND SHORT as I am now very tired.
Let the membership body decide on the direction of this angling club, fully paid up and now totally informed as to all ramifications. See, that is what democracy is, the way I know it. Again I point out that whatever is discussed at the EGM on the matter of format of the September 2009 event cannot be implemented in 2009 unless it is of minor consequence. The PAIMT 2009 Sponsors are already shaky, do not blow them away.
Ron duQuesnay,
Tournament Director 2009
By: rondq on June 27, 2009
at 10:20 pm
Doc,
As a Life Member of Henry Morgan, and organiser of the Discovery Bay Fishing Tournament for 9 years, I feel obliged to make comment.
On a personal level, if I want smoked marlin, I will go out and kill a marlin, provided the laws of my country permit. And I had rather kill a 100 lb male than a possibly gravid 300 lb female.
I absolutely sympathise with those who want to go to a tournament, catch their fish, put it on the dock, win their prize, or bet, flog the fish or eat it. Those were the glory days and I shared in them. I cannot forget the first time I pulled in a marlin on Pandemonium, with Chris Levy, without a chair OR a fighting belt – the labour pains! Nothing on a big boat had prepared me for that! But, I slowly came to prefer to let go the fish that had given me such an amazing battle. I am 64 now and my days of fighting big fish may be drawing to a close, but God forbid that the day should come that we prepare, and put out to sea, and find nothing to kill OR release.
And all things change. I know that 98% of all marlin mortality is a result of by-catch, mostly from long-liners, and I know that commercial fishermen have a lobby in the US congress, the country on which, geographically, we must depend for a measure of protection, which recreational fishers will never equal. Many species are threatened.
The fiasco that occurred in MoBay some years ago with Jerry and myself on “Full House” was the beginning of the end of my tournament fishing, such a turn-off. Three major rules were “bent” (read ignored) for reasons of self-interest.
But it’s time to put aside grievances and personalities, time to turn our intelligence, education and principles towards safeguarding the future of the sport that we love. To win (not force) the support of ALL to think of ways to influence affairs so that our fish may survive. Marlin are highly migratory species so every region must play a part.
It’s no use spending energy in in-fighting. No large group will ever agree on every detail of a plan! But let us agree that we want to have fish out there, other species have recovered and it may be that the glory days will come again. Governments are sensitive to loud voices, without becoming lunatic extremists, let’s try!
Optimistically,
Erica
By: Erica Hamilton on June 28, 2009
at 3:19 am
Ron,
I’ve got to go with you on the MoBay decision.
As an IGFA Certified Captain and IGFA Certified Observer, I observed 4 years of tournament billfishing in Los Suenos, Costa Rica. In 2007, “a total of 1,150 billfish were caught by 58 boats over the two tournament series, (6 days) including 82 marlin and 1068 sailfish, making for an incredible fish to boat ratio of 20:1!” and NO BILLFISH LANDED. One was killed when he swam into a prop on a boat I was on, but what can you do? I think that fish won the Darwin award.
If all billfish were landed in the MoBay tournament, it must be a kill tournament. Call it what it is.
All the best.
Captain Paul Bohnenkamper
Port Antonio “La Nadine”
By: rondq on June 28, 2009
at 5:45 am
Doc, I have never ever seen a blog work positively in any situation. No matter how genuine the peoples intentions are, it seems that blogs soon turn down hill very fast, i honestly hope that this one proves me wrong.
In short, I will work with anyone with regards to helping the SHMAA put on the Port Antonio tournamnet. If asked, sit on any of your committee and offer my assistance as much as I can.
We may agree to disagree on what has been written between us and by others and so maybe I should leave it at that.
Have a great vacation with your grand children
John
By: John Ralston on June 28, 2009
at 9:51 am
Great, Glad you woke up. Now what about some answers to the conduct of the AGM and democrasy etc.
Ron
—– Original Message —–
By: rondq on June 28, 2009
at 10:28 am
DEAR DOC,
I HAVE NOT FISHED THE PORT ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT IN OVER TWENTY YEARS, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE KILL TOURNAMENT STIGMA. WHEN WE WENT TO THE TAG AND RELEASE, AND DONNA MARZOUCA WAS EMBARASSED BY HER EIGHT RELEASES, I FELT WE WERE DEALING WITH CHILDREN INSTEAD OF ADULT “SPORT FISHERMEN” I BACK A TOTAL TAG & RELEASE FORMAT FOR A RELEASE TOURNAMENT 100%.
IF WE WANT TO KILL MARLIN TO EAT, GO TO CALIFORNIA BANKS ANY MORNING AND CATCH YOUR FOOD FISH.
PHILIP.
By: PHILIP SAMMS on June 28, 2009
at 3:12 pm
MY ANSWERS ARE CAPITALISED.
Ron duQuesnay
JOHN RALSTON WROTE:-
My understanding of the AGM, correct me if I am wrong, is that all PAID up members are allowed to cast their votes? YES – NO ONE DISPUTES THAT, AS IT SHOULD BE. ARE YOU YOURSELF AND OTHERS FULLY PAID UP?? “ALL MONIES” OWING?? HMmmm. BE CAREFUL JOHNNY. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE.
There was an oppurtunity between 6 and 7 pm on the night of the AGM, for members to pay their membership am i not correct?. NO, SOME ARRIVED LATE. THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTED FOR PAYMENT THRUOGHTOUT THE MEETING AS THE TREASURER AND RECEIPT BOOK WERE VERY MUCH IN PRESENCE. THESE BONA FIDE MEMBERS WERE PHYSICALLY BARRED FROM ACCESSING THIS FACILITY – ON WHAT GROUNDS MAY I ASK??
Are you suggesting that the meeting should have been haulted DURING the voting to be able to allow people to pay their dues? YES – OOOHHHH DEFINITELY YYYEEEESSSS!!! I AM A TRUE BELIEVER IN THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. ARE YOU???
IF YOU TRULY WANTED “DEMOCRACY” WITH A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE TRUE WORKING AND ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP BODY PRESENT, ON WHAT GROUNDS WERE THESE MEMBERS DENIED PAYMENT???
Whether one likes it or not, the articles of association and memorandum of association for the SHMAA are perfectly clear, and I quote GOOD FOR YOU – I HAVE SEEN THE ARTICLES FOR OVER 25 YEARS SO I NOW SEE THAT YOU ARE NOW MAKING EFFORTS AT BECOMING A TRUE MEMBER AT LAST. READING IGFA MATERIAL AND NOW ALL THIS – WOW. I WILL MAKE GOOD USE OF YOU IN THE FUTURE.
# 31 No member shall be entitled to vote at any meeting unless all monies then due from him to the association have been paid. ALL MONIES DUE!!! I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, A CAN OF WORMS . DOES IT STATE BY WHEN PAYMENT MUST BE TENDERED OTHER THAN PRIOR TO A VOTE BEING TAKEN???
YOU DENIED 6 BONA-FIDE WELL KNOWN MEMBERS OF SEVERAL YEARS STANDING WHILE YOU YOURSELF WERE ONLY LAST SEEN IN 2006 (YOU STILL OWE BACK DUES FOR 2007 AND 2008 BY THE WAY!!! ). IS YOUR VOTE THEREFORE LEGAL?? YOU VOTED WITHOUT CLEARING “ALL MONIES” DUE. THE VOTE WAS CARRIED BY TWO – SIMPLE ARITHMETIC AS TO WHO WON.
ARE YOU NOW GOING TO DO THE RIGHT AND PROPER THING AND WITHDRAW YOUR PERSONAL AND, AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY POINTED OUT, “ILLEGAL’” VOTE AS THE PRINCIPLED MAN THAT I KNOW YOU TO BE, NOW THAT YOU HAVE FOUND IT OUT TO BE SO. I AWAIT THIS ANSWER WITH BATED BREATH BUT I CANNOT HOLD IT FOR LONG. VOTE NOW ONLY CARRIED BY ONE. SHALL I NOW REMOVE THE OTHER VOTE WHO HAS NOT FULLY CLEARED HIS BACK-DUES etc. etc.??? IF YOU WANT I WILL GO THERE !!!
INTERESTING – I WILL AWAIT YOUR ACTION OF WITHDRWAL OF YOUR VOTE AS THAT WILL SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. I HAVE ANOTHER “MEMBER” OF YOUR GROUP IN A SIMILAR SITUATION – HE HAD NOT PAID UP FOR A DECADE !!! THE FAT LADY IS NOW REALLY ABOUT TO SING AND I DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE ANOTHER SUSAN BOYLE SCENARIO.
Please see the the articles of association for the SHMAA for confirmation, but it seems pretty clear cut to me, that unless someone had paid their membership they were unable to cast a vote. SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE. FULL PAYMENT I PRESUME!! I DID NOT WANT TO GO THERE – NOT YET ANYWAY!! BUT I WILL TAKE YOUR ADVICE AND RUN WITH IT IF NECESSARY THANKS.
With regards to another email you wrote and circulated to some people recently, I believe you and i do not have the same understanding of the Articles of Association. THAT IS OBVIOUS TO ME. IT IS IN BLACK AND WHITE TO BE LEGALLY INTERPRETED. I HAVE MY OPINION AND YOU HAVE YOURS. LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW.
You mentioned that by default that if the elected chairman stood down, then the runner up would automatically assume that position (my words)…. I think you went on to say that you did not want the chair by default…… I might be wrong here BUT!! my understanding is a little different…
I believe you were reffering to # 35 (e)
I actuall think that does not apply, because after being voted in, Mr. Sykes addressed the meeting as our new Chairman, there for he did not decline to serve. HE HOWEVER HE MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT HIS ACCEPTANCE WAS VERY CONDITIONAL, AND NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS WERE FULFILEED. HE “RESIGNED” SHORTLY THERAFTER. CHECK YOUR LAWYER BEFORE YOU GO THERE. I HAVE ALREADY DECIDED TO ALLOW THE FULL “ENLIGHTENED” MEMBERSHIP BODY TO RE-VOTE. A POINT HAS TO BE MADE TO QUELL THIS HECKLING IN THE FUTURE.
I think # 37 is actually the note we should concentrate on
“All casual vacancies arising amoongst the directors or officers shall be filled by the directors”. THAT IS SO. I AM QUITE WILLING TO GO THAT ROUTE. IT WOULD SAVE UNNECESSARY EXPENSES TO BE INCURRED BY PAYING FOR A NEW VENUE TO RESOLVE THIS CRISIS. WILL YOU OR YOUR COHORTS PAY FOR THIS EXPENSE THAT THEY CAUSED??? SHOULD WE NOT JUST CALL IT QUITS AND BEGIN THE NECESSARY AND MUCH NEEDED HEALING PROCESS, A RIFT CAUSED BY A FEW DISCONTENTS MANIPULATING YOU AND OTHERS??
Again maybe I am wrong but I dont think so. YOU ARE WRONG. YOU ARE NOT PAID TO “THINK” HERE – DEAL WITH THE FACTS.
With regards to your point about if a topic is raised under AOB without notice,it is only for placement for discussion at the next AGM….. am i to understand that the topic of lowering the release weight was not raised at the 2008 AGM? It is my understanding that it was, but as you pointed out, i was not there, so cannot confirm this. EXACTLY, PLEASE NO MORE HEARSAY, YOU ARE BEING USED AS A MOUTHPIECE BY THE UNSCRUPULOUS – CHECK THE MINUTES 20O8. CERTAINLY NO DUAL TOURNAMENT CONCEPT HAS EVER BEEN OFFICIALLY NOTIFIED AND/OR RAISED AS FAR AS I CAN RECOLLECT.
With regards to why no member so actively involved in this unjust “coup”, maybe you are better served asking them. I WILL, IF THEY WOULD JUST PRESENT THEMSELVES. THE BEST CHAIR WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE REFLECTING THEIR VIEWS. THE WORSE MISTAKE WAS TO TAKE A NEUTRAL PERSON AND ELECT HIM ON THE SPOT – YOU WON THE SKIRMISH BUT YOU ARE NOW ABOUT TO LOSE THE “WAR”.
I for one did not for two reasons, I do not have an issue with you being the chairman, as i have indicated to you before and my offer to work with anyone. THANK YOU – A PITY – YOU WILL NO DOUBT MAKE A GREAT CHAIR ONE DAY IN THE DISTANT FUTURE. KEEP UP THE SELF-EDUCATION AS IT IS WORTH IT.
I just want to have your confirmation that you will be more understanding of the members requests and how they are reffered to. UNFORTUNATELY I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM ALL TOO WELL.
With regards to the damage done to our sister organisation MBYC, I believe the damage is self inflicted. IT IS NOT – ALL RULES COMMITTEE DECISIONS ARE FINAL AND BINDING ON ALL PARTIES. IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED THERE. THE WORD FINAL IS JUST THAT. YOU CANNOT GET AWAY FROM THIS. NO FURTHER DEBATE NEED OR WILL BE ENTERED INTO.
It is unfortunate that they chose to change the rules of the game after the game was over, for this they will have to deal with fixing their own damage. THEY DID NOT CHANGE ANY RULES. IF THEY DID, SHOW ME WHERE.
How many people do you think will be entering their tournament this year, knowing fully well that the rules they were participating under could very well be changed. A BOYCOT IS A SIGNAL OF A VERY POOR SPORTSMAN. AGAIN SHOW ME THE WRITTEN RULE THAT WAS BROKEN. IF IT UNWRITTEN THEN THE MoBAY RULES COMMITTEE INTERPRETS AND APPLIES IT. ANY DECISION TAKEN IS THEN FINAL – A VERY BASIC PRINCIPLE IN TOURNAMENTS. LEAVE IT THERE.
That my friend is what the MBYC should be concebtrating on. NO, WRONG AGAIN. A VERY MUCH NEEDED APOLOGY IS ESSENTIAL AND MUST BE ISSUED TO THE MBYC, YOUR SISTER YACHT CLUB, FOR THE DAMAGES INCURRED AND THE UNWARRANTED WITHDRAWAL OF A WELL-NEEDED SPONSORSHIP. SHAME ON YOU ALL. APOLOGISING IS EASY AND IS REQUIRED OF A SPORTSMAN.
THIS IS THE LAST COMMENT I WILL MAKE ON THE MoBAY TOURNAMENT 2008. THAT DECISION BY THE MoBAY RULES COMMITTEE IS FINAL AND BINDING AND DOES NOT WARRANT FURTHER DEBATE. I AM NOT, AND HAVE NEVER BEEN, A MEMBER OF THE MoBAY RULES COMMIITTEE. I THEREFORE CANNOT SPEAK FOR THEM.
Since as you have requested, i have answered your questions with regards to the AGM,To enlighten me could you answer a few on the MBYC event for me…… SEE ABOVE..
Have a good day……… I WILL, SAME TO YOU –
NOW PLEASE DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE FOR SHMAA FOR A CHANGE AND PRODUCE AN ARTICLE FOR THE PAIMT MAGAZINE 2009-2010 OUT OF YOUR NEW INTEREST IN IGFA – ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THAT INSTITUTION??? THE CONCEPT OF RELEASES OF BLUE MARLIN NEED TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT AGAIN. I ENLIST YOU SPEAKING AS THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR 2009.
NOW DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND STEP ASIDE, EXPOSE THOSE HIDING BEHIND YOU AND LET THESE “DEMON-ISHERS” DEMOLISH AND DO THEIR OWN DIRTY WORK. DO NOT BE THEIR LACKEY. YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED.
By: John Ralston on June 28, 2009
at 4:18 pm
With regards to my personal opinion on tagging….
I would just like to say, that if in fact the mortality rate is as low as I understand it to be now, I am also for tag and release.
I have decided to do some research and ask questions of some experts myself, so as to try and inform myself as to just what the true story is.
I will say from very early in the release program, i felt that the tags that were being placed in the fish were dropping out. With the use of the electronic tags, it certainly looks like more accurate data is available.
My question is, if the big fish are the ones that are reproducing, if we are putting anything on the dock, should it not be the small ones?
BTW
I am not in agreement with a “geriatric exemption”.
John Ralston
I knew you had it in you. just needed some arousal.
By the way I also had a long article on satellite and archival tagging in our magazine of 2007.
I will now definitely take the time and get you a few back magazines as I have also carried Tips on how best to Tag your marlin.
just get me your land address.
It has always been a pet subject of mine that, if anything, we are the ones at fault if the marlin dies.
Go there Johnny boy !!! Welcome Aboard.
Now to get you on the Magazine Committee!!!
Ron Dq
By: John Ralston on June 28, 2009
at 4:41 pm
Dear Dr.Ron,
Always enjoy your prose. You are a worthy warrior for preservation. Keep up the good work. I am sorry that Drew and I will not be there this year in Port Antonio. My son is getting married Oct 3rd. I am sad because I love the tourney and best of all we have new engines on old ASDIP and it is a relief to just come down and enjoy instead of having our arses in the air! The Hoovers wish everyone the best this year with repeated tight lines.
Sincerely,
Captain Matt Hoover
http://www.nightflightcharters.com/
By: rondq on June 28, 2009
at 6:16 pm
Dear Ronnie: why you giving uself ulcers???
If u need a campaign manager let me know … I know all de tricks in de books…..de least u cud a do is pay up de dues fe u 6 workers…Dem boys going ovetrhrow u….it seems….
I note that you have not answered my queries… do you eat smoked marlin???? I remember giving you some but I cannot recall if you ate it or threw it overboard…..How many tagged marlins have ever been caught again… if I recall 2…..
For the benefit of you who think marlin live in Port Antonio…They spawn somewhere in the area….the migrate with the gulf stream down to Mexico back up to Miami and the Bahamas following the bait fish. As the bait fish and tuna move with the gulf stream so does the marlin. The bigger Marlin pass by in May June …600 pounders etc…Biggest official marlin caught 594-1/2 of Ocho Rios… May…. Marlin bites best 3 days before the full moon to 3 days after….Boney fish, tuna and long jaw. mullets are best baits. Big marlin are caught by trolling slowly with a light drag and waiting. Marlin takes bait and run, stops and then runs again… tighten drag and strike marlin on second run….50lb line should not have more than 16lbs drag…If fish runs 400 yds of line you slacken the drag to ease pressure on line…When fish is at leader reach you slaken drag to 5 lbs in case fish takes off againyou save the line from snapping….bring fish alongside and gaff in muscle behind head…never bring fish aboard with bill facing you or you may face your maker sooner than you expect…..Do not force a fish when it is hooked… you spend two days to find the fish… you can spend two hours boating it….Using artifical bates is another lesson which I will charge for…..
This blog thing here is a waste of time….good comedy….
The Debate is Simple….
I think the IGFA are a bunch of rich hypocritical profilers paying lip service to conservation.
I do not need to prove to anybody I can catch Marlin; as I have probably caught more marlin than all of you put together.. from 70lbs to 500lbs over the past 40 years.
You like release tournaments… I have no problem with that… but release everything.
I like kill or (murder) tournaments where I put my mouth and my money on the line… most weight = most money…..
You run your release tournament… I keep my money and we both happy… why all de noise.
I still think smoked marlin taste betta dan jerked horse meat!!!!!
By: Bobby Marsh on June 28, 2009
at 7:33 pm
Hi Ron: Well it’s obvious you have a battle on your hands and like the wild west, the good guys against the bad guys. The bad guys want the power but not the work that goes with it. Good luck on the 23rd and let me know the results. Without a conservation format for either Port Antonio or MoBay the tournaments won’t be accepted as qualifying events. As far as responding to comments about IGFA, I don’t think I’m in a position to respond since I haven’t worked there for more than 2 years and there are far more qualified people working there that could respond. Best of luck to you—Lynda
Lynda L. Wilson
Assistant Tournament Director
Bonnier Marine Group
By: rondq on June 29, 2009
at 6:44 am
I have spoken to a few people of the silent majority and they feel that you have now made your point very well and should now just leave it alone until the meeting BUT quietly work to get those that support out to the meeting.
I concur as I think you are being pulled into it as they know you will react. Sometimes silence can be very powerful.
Talk to you in the week.
Brian
RON DuQUESNAY WROTE: I hear loudly and will do. RdQ
By: rondq on June 29, 2009
at 6:46 am
There are 2 different issues on the table at this time and unfortunately it would seem that one is being used as support for the other.
The first and root issue is the election of a new president (READ CHAIRMAN) which seems to be felt by many as needed because of the non wiliness of the current president (DITTO) to seek out member’s opinions and further comments were made which were viewed as distasteful and arrogant. This I gather from reading what I have.
The second issue which is being used as a camouflage for the first is whether or not PAIMT should be a kill tournament or not. This one is quite simple to be honest. The clubs members can vote on this at the AGM as the club is its “members” (BOUND BY THE MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION- “to seek affiliation to IGFA …. and abide its ETHICS” in summary). Everyone has their own opinion and this debate can go on forever. I myself am against a kill fish tournament!
It is unfortunate that the second issue is clouding the first!
Ron DuQuesnay’s Comment:
Unknown: Thanks for your support.
Quite correct. There are only 2 items on the Agenda EGM. They will be solved one at a time.
A chair (not president here) is required to also follow the Memorandum Of Association and Articles, is he not?? This states: “3 (f) to seek affiliation to the International Game Fish Association and to abide by the rules, regulations and ETHICS of that Association”. The Ethics of that international association does require a tournament to be encouraged to release ALL marlin unless for a world record. That is my expressed dream and I will work under anyone who shares this dream at any time. I do not and have never wanted the chair, “I too have a dream ….” Mark you he was shot shortly after that statement !!! So I guess its my time now !! :)
When members continually attempt to usurp progress to that embedded memorandum statement we do have a problem. It is not arrogance but frustration, this petty argument has gone on for years – I have repeatedly suggested that “they” form their own “kill” tournament/club and set it up with an expressed view on a comercially organised kill theme with none or very basic rules. I have even gone against this SHMAA stated memorandum and set up such a tournament for them, which I deeply regretted, then and now. Why then do they keep coming back to destroy the only internationally recognised tournament in Jamaica whereas their own “No Rules” tournament has died from a lack of support and dictator-like arrogant organisation?? And you call me arrogant.
Yes, I do not bow to “big” men who want to have their cake and to eat it and then manipulate the board to their own desires – Yes, I am no ones’ lackey – if that is arrogance then so be it. This is a fishing club with principles – called angling. I do this for fun – this group does NOTHING to assist in every day work.
They frequently express “it is a Jamaican Tournament – we should not cater for overseas, forget overseas tournaments, forget the Jamaica Tourist Board, we want an old-fashioned minimal rules, kill tournament etc. etc.”
Port Antonio, as is, is instead growing steadily, leaps and bounds. I am glad you are not for a kill tournament which CANNOT ever be contemplated for a Port Antonio International Tournament, EVER. Is that arrogance ?? Thanks therefore for your indirect support. You draw your own conclusions.
R DQ
By: Nuetral on June 30, 2009
at 12:56 pm
May I ask a question? Before I posted my comments I had read the blog. Now when I am reading your reply the last 2 posts that I saw before mine, one from John Ralston and the other from Jerry Mahfood have dissappeared. Is there a particular reason for this?
Ron DQ wrote:
Yes Rude Bway, as the Administrator I have to be very careful about litigation etc for your own sake, that of the poster and mine too for that matter.
Clean up your presentation, be concise, safe and relevant especially as to the needs of SHMAA and PAIMT2009. That’s all. This is not a MoBay blog site. Develop your own if you have other “axes” to fulfill. Call your BLOG a “KILL NO RULE NO HOLDS BLOCKED” so we that know exactly where to find it and your philosophy of life. Just remember BLOG laws do exist.
This BLOG PAIMT2009 is still under developement but I am glad you are all enjoying it. keep it up. RDQ
By: Nuetral on June 30, 2009
at 3:14 pm
To all past, current and future members of SHMAA,
I accepted the Chair for this club based on a wish to see this club thru some of the issues raised by others over time. There are many, some relating to the Doc’s personality, issues relating to what happened or seemed to have happened at Mobay and the lack of recognition by the Chair to hear and deal with discontent amongst some anglers amongst us. I have sought to listen to all and even to seek advice from others and this is where I stand.
The change to the PAIMT that is being requested is to revert to the 100lb limit for boating marlin caught in the tournament. I asked the membership representing the group that voted for change to tell me if the rule were to be applied retroactively to last years results how many fish would have been boated. The answer is all, thus rendering the tournament a kill event. I read our Articles and the Memorandum of Association and noted our “seeking affiliation to the IGFA….” and then determined that the changes that are being sought are not for a dual tournament (which would be difficult but would serve to give this club time to make educated changes and preserve the 2009 tournament), but for a “kill” tournament.
It is my opinion that such a change is fundamental to the club and is a regressive step based on what is practiced by other clubs.
Thus it is strongly recommended that all addressed by group mail get paidup membership and be fully informed so that any change voted on at the proposed EGM will be representative of the majority of the membership of this Association. It is also my opinion that as an association every one should be rostered to assist in the running, fundraising and the preparation of events, failing that the overworked will move on and there will always be discontent.
Yours sincerely,
Steven Sykes
Chairman SHMAA.
Administrator’s Comment : Well said, Steven. Now for the healing and closure.
I have corrected your minor Typo mistakes. A good old fashioned WAKE will be held at the Pre-Tournament BayCrest Orange Bay Farm party on July 5th 2009 at David Vernon’s Farm. I will personally buy drinks for everyone at the free bar !!
Now for a full apology to the Montego Bay Yacht Club Tournament 2008 in order to get full closure and commence healing of all animosity as true sportsmen should.
By: Steven Sykes on June 30, 2009
at 5:48 pm
Apology From Owen OB Brown (Heavily Edited to protect the innocent – I make no apology. I am just thankful – RDq)
To:
The Montego Bay Yacht Club and Tournament 2008.
To All Members and Affiliates (SHMAA and MBYC 2008 Tournament I interpret R Dq), more than all my dear friend,the illustrious defender of Marlin, possibly certainly, the next chairman for our SHMAA, (the good doctor).
Good day,
Firstly, as captioned this seeks to APOLOGISE to the MBYC Tournament 2008, regarding the “unfortunate crisis” that has arisen based on the result (of MBYCTournament 2008).
I also apologise for the actions of the “murderous” crew on the vessel “Persistence” and for conspiring to “steal” your tournament with the infamous, qualified, 101lb Marlin.
One more apology is compulsory at this time, I apologise profusely and sincerely to ALL DECENT and well thinking persons ( I will interpret this to mean members of the Rules Committee MBYC 2008, amongst others – RDq) ,who meant well.
Selah.
O.B. Brown
Comment:
Well done “OB” , I knew you had it in you. Now for the others and the re-instatement of all sponsors lost to MBYC.
This is about the best that I can achieve at present and I therefore post it in the hope that this may indeed signal the start of the much needed process of healing and closure so desperately needed now.
It would help tremendously if other members of the Persistence Crew would add their willing support to OB’s tremendous effort at sportsmanship, written in his own unique fashion, I must add. One must always be thankful even for small mercies !!! I make no apologies for this heavily edited version and can only hope it stands as is.
wish me luck,
RDq
By: rondq on July 1, 2009
at 7:31 pm
Board,
SHMAA Ltd.
In light of the positive events unfolding, I wish to commend the step taken by OB Brown. I once again would like to publicly, and profusely, apologise for any inappropriate action on my part, explicit or implicit, perceived or otherwise and/or interpreted as such by the Team Persistence in respect of the events occurring at the 2008 MoBay Tournament. It was meant in a context of no harm intended.
If this apology expressed again would assist in any way for us to commence on the long road to healing this rift in the sport of angling and getting closure to this unfortunate episode in the “club’s” life, it will be well worth it.
I now look forward to all the other apologies urgently needed in order to decrease the perception of, and to make good the damage to the good name of, and especially the loss of sponsorship to, the Montego Bay Yacht Club and Tournament 2008 so that they and all anglers may go forward into the future of good camaraderie and peaceful angling contests. Let us put this distasteful episode behind us once and forever.
thank you,
Ron DuQuesnay
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 3, 2009
at 11:13 am
I know that there is litigation on this issue and it is my wish to resolve this matter for the benefit of both clubs. My discussion with the Chairman of the MBYC, Mr Reid reveals that their committee determined the percieved change in results and called in Dr DuQuesnay to ratify their change. He did, and it was his right to offer his advice.
What transpired after was uncalled for and unprofessional especially for someone sitting in the seat of the Chairman of this Association. It is uncontested that disparaging remarks were made, directed to you personally, whereby our past chairman led you and your crew to believe that he crafted the change in results for the tournament and as such put you out of the winners circle.
I believe it is not encumbent on you to apologise as we can understand why you feel wronged. I would emplore you that we do not destroy our clubs over this issue. True sportsmen abide by the decision of those who were selected to make the rules, however flawed or inexperienced we may think their decisions be.
In this case the committee will ask our past chair to consider his past actions and if he be so big as to fill your shoes he too can offer his apologies in the spirit of true sportsmanship.
The EGM is to allow democracy to prevail, it will give our membership the oppurtunity to voice their opinions and give direction to this Association and it’s purpose.
The committee would like to propose some changes to how we operate as a structure.
We suggest that the clubs responsibilities be divided into committees.
1 “Fundraising Committee” responsible for collecting Sponsorships, Trophys and ETC..
2 ” Tournament Committees” responsible for organizing and executing each of the rostered Tournaments.
3″ Membership Committee” responsible for collecting dues, Membership applications, suggestions, complaints, comments and encouraging new members.
4 “Magazine committee” responsible for the collection of articles, event reporting, photos, collecting adverts and printing and editing this document.
We believe that too much is being done by too few and as a result fiefdoms are created resulting in a few being overburdened and others reluctant to commit to serve based on the percieved fiefdoms.
To alleviate this situation I would suggest that all members commit to assist at least one committee and this will make work light for all, it will also serve to expose all to the work required for our Association’s members to enjoy our events and culture, thus creating a new appreciation for our Association and a renewed comradrie. I would go as far as ask our members to consider this carefully as we may ask you to vote on this change and mandate the committment in a bylaw.
The last note for the agenda will be to determine my mandate in respect to our tournament, its rules and the changes (if any) for PAIMT 2010 and required changes to our Memorandum of Articles as will be determined by our choice of tournament style and the affiliation to the IGFA.
In educating myself on the issues and the Ethics of the IGFA, I would like to propose the following which is crafted with much advice to suit all anglers.
The minimum weight for Marlin Landed on the first day of the event shall be voted on, (I recommend 150lbs).
The Minimum weight for each successive day shall be 20lbs greater that the heaviest Marlin landed on the previous day.
2 Points will be awarded for each Marlin tagged and released.
1 Point will be awarded for each Marlin landed.
2 Points will be deducted for each Marlin landed below the day’s weight limit.
0 Points will be awarded for any marlin released with out photo evidence.
There will be an award for the Heaviest Marlin Landed.
The Tournament winner will be the Boat with the MOST POINTS for TAG and RELEASE, MARLIN LANDED, or a Combination of Both.
The boat with the most points for TAG and RELEASE only will be offered to the Committees of our sister Caribbean IGFA Tournaments as our selection to their invitation, with some costs undertaken by our Association.
The above is only a suggestion.
Note at the end of this process IF I am not satisfied that I will be able to execute my mandate then I will notify the Association and Stand Down from the Chair. If this occurs then there must be other nominees willing to stand for election, and we will proceed to a new election by secret ballot for Chairman. To ensure peace and democracy in this eventuality, I am asking all members, past, present and future to become paidup members in good standing so that in the end the vote and its results will not be controversial.
Owen and all fellow anglers, I hope that we can move on knowing that when the day is over we did it together and it was the will of all, if not the accepted majority.
Thank you sincerely,
Steven Sykes
Chairman SHMAA.
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 3, 2009
at 11:20 am
Dear Steven,
While the issues in regards to the MoBay tournament continue to perpetuate a history that has not served the tournament well, I do feel the exposure and renewed attention to detail will begin to change the poor reputation of the tournament. It certainly has the potential to be a wonderful experience, and a great tournament. I further feel that your email is well balanced and I offer to you any support you may need as Chairman of SHMAA and that I am able to provide to make our Association a transparent and accountable one for the benefit of all the members.
Yours truly,
Christopher Levy
President & CEO
Jamaica Broilers Group Limited
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 3, 2009
at 11:23 am
Stephen,
Well put. I fully support your position regarding the club and the direction you are proposing. This is the best way forward, group discussion leading to group consensus. As for the tournament format, it is up the membership at large to decide what they want for themselves. I agree with you that any proposed changes be looked at for 2010.
MBYC as so well put by Mr. Levy has a history of changing tournament rules at the last minute and should they want to run a successful tournament this needs to be dealt with. I can only hope that the new chairman of MBYC and the tournament committee give this some serious thought or that tournament will always be mired in controversy.
Jerry Mahfood
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 3, 2009
at 11:27 am
A great time was had at the BayCrest Orange Bay Pre-tournament PAIMT2009 Fete – Andrew David Campbell and his crew really outdid themselves. Food from Scotchies, Hamiltons, Nyammins, Macs’ Deli etc etc. All who missed it, lost out. An Appleton was poured for Anthony Bell !!!
Ron Dq
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 6, 2009
at 9:16 am
July 23rd 2009 will be the day for the EGM 2009. Placed for discussion will be :
A. Nominations for Chair 2009-2011.
B. Format of PAIMTournaments:-
1. Incentive Release Scoring of 2 points for accepted releases, whereas any landed, accepted marlin gains only 1 score.
2. ?? To give 2 points to a marlin beating the standing Jamaican Record of 592 lbs. marlin
2. Circle Hook for dead &/or Live baits in recognition of IGFA ethical choice.
3. To look at a proposed retrograde step : A Sliding Scale Minimum of 100 or 150 lbs. and up
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 7, 2009
at 4:38 am
OK good job DQ. A new election is the right action to take now all points have been explained. Sorry for the delayed response, I have been traveling doing appearances in the Gulf states, G.
From: Ron DuQuesnay [mailto:rondq@mail.infochan.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:23 AM
To: Lesley Arico
Cc: linda.wilson@bonniercorp.com; Guy & Gillian “Mongoose” Harvey
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 7, 2009
at 9:42 am
I have been nominated for Chair SHMAA 2009-2011 and will run against all other legal nominees on July 23rd at 6.00 p.m. at the Mayfair Pub.
1. No Proxy voting allowed. Be there !!!
2. Only fully paid up members can vote.
3. Get in all your Membership Applications 2009 in now as the Board has to approve all that were not on the Members List 2009. This takes time and cannot be done on the night of the EGM.
4. My platform is simple:-
a) To strive to apply all Articles and Memorandum of Association especially so 3(e) and 3(f) regarding “conservation of marine life….” and to “seek affiliation to the IGFA and to abide by the rules , regulations, and ETHICS of that association”.
b) To carry the Port Antonio International Marlin Tournament to exceptional heights of international sportsmanship and angling practices so as to put and keep Jamaica at the top of world-wide angling.
c) To seek, encourage participation in and to nuture all other international angling tournaments in the Caribbean, Mexico, USA and IGFA etc. so as to improve local knowledge and expertise in good angling practices.
d) To attempt to rationalise all local tournaments and to seek their organisation/Rules Committees to adopt unifrom rules of angling especially as advocated by IGFA.
e) To actively seek out volunteers and ideas from the members and non-members of Sir Henry Morgan Anglers so as to effect education and better angling practices in Jamaica.
f) To continue to foster harmony and greater sub-committee use in an attempt to identify a younger and more active membership participation in day-to-day activiites and work of the “club” and thereby guarantee the forward progression of the “club” into the future.
more anon R Dq
By: Ron DuQuesnay on July 8, 2009
at 2:18 pm